Poet and writer Saeed Jones talks with host Hanif Abdurraqib about finding a good therapist, epic fantasy video games, dog ownership, making collages and the beauty of trees.

Carlotta Penn

Small Joys is a series of conversations between best-selling writer and Columbus-native Hanif Abdurraqib and creative people of all stripes about what keeps them going.In each episode, Hanif talks with artists and writers about what fuels the creative process and discusses the little pleasures that help sustain us in our daily lives.