You know how with that question the answer is something like "neither" or "both" - in any case it's not necessarily one before the other? (Kind of like the chicken and the egg question I suppose.) Well what if depression is like that? There's the abuse of the self as the act, you might say, and the feelings and everything that come along with depression as the excuse. Or you might say the giving into the lie as the act and the feeling of worthlessness as the excuse. Or maybe the psychology as the act and the physiology as the excuse. Anyway, if the act and the excuse are together, really, or if it can go in either direction, then surely so can depression. That would mean that you can experience the physiology part "first" and the lie part "second". Hmm. Think I'll just paste all my notes here. Enjoy!Full Notes:Friday, Oct 16, 2020What direction does it go?  (Lie first or physiological stuff first?)  What if the answer is, I don't know?  Still, of course, the lie is always present, and that's important.  But that leaves the possibility that addressing stuff physiologically can help, as well as psychologically.  What if that's the case?  Basically what if the direction could be either way or both?  Hmm!Saturday, Oct 17, 2020Psychology can't have morals.  It can't think of anything as right or wrong.  It can only consider that a delusion.  Philosophically it can't.  How does that work?  It's like you can either have the "scriptural" point of view or the secular…SundayHow does Christ make us not worthless?  Wouldn't we have intrinsic value just the same? Without the plan of salvation, I guess?  Do I have the lie wrong, that we're worthless?  Maybe that we'll never amount to anything, or something??What if the light of Christ is no more or less than the fact that all truth permeates us all the time, and everything that's true is encompassed in the light of Christ?  Or something like that?Friday, October 23, 2020Referring to the above question of which direction it goes, is that related to the question of which direction it goes between doing the wrong thing and justifying it with how you make yourself see things?  Because I don't know which direction that goes, either.  Seems like it can happen both directions or even both at once. If it is related, it would suggest that the physiological stuff is a justification for the thought patterns.  Is it the case that sometimes the justification comes first - the thoughts - and the misdeed comes later?  Seems like one of those things that can happen all at once or not.Alright, so I don't know, I'm going to write here a bit and see where it goes.  So in the Book of Mormon, for example, if you were to track what happens first, the sin or the different way of seeing things…isn't pride a name for a different way of seeing things?  And it's a sin in itself.  You don't have to steal anything or withhold anything or whatever to have pride, right?  You just have the pride and there it is.  You're sinning.  Maybe in ignorance, but you're sinning.  And pride has many faces.  Looking up and looking down, for example.  Or thinking you’re better or thinking you're worse.  In the Book of Mormon it seems like it's usually thinking you're better.  You're "lifted up."  "Lofty."  "Puffed up." But would I be correct to say that sometimes these days and surely in all times people are more down than up?  What am I?  I know I'm lifted up in some ways, but I'd say I compare myself negatively to others.  That seems the normal thing.  At least from my point of view.  Seems pretty normal to do both.  Why don't we see that in the Book of Mormon?  Am I missing something?  Heck, why don't the scriptures describe mental illness?  I swear they don't.  They just don't.  Am I missing something?  Just seems like from a scriptural point of view you are sinning.