What does real leadership look like when the country’s rivers are polluted, the public is angry, and the system feels stuck? Giles Bristow, CEO of Surfers Against Sewage, has lived both sides of the fight — from environmental lawyer inside the corporate machine to leading one of the UK’s most recognisable grassroots movements. This is not a comfortable conversation. Rich and Giles go head-to-head on profit versus public good, the ethics of finance in an environmental crisis, and whether the l...