My conversation with authors Michelle Butler Hallett and JoAnne Soper- Cook ranged widely over a lot of topics and included much classic literature, although we did make a conscious choice not to talk about Ernest Hemingway. We also discussed earning our "Lying" badge, and the way vividly written historical fiction can bring you into a time and place so clearly you can ... well, it's all in the episode title. You can read the show notes, where every book we discussed is listed, at: https://shelfesteem2017.wordpress.com/2022/04/10/episode-43-we-smell-the-olives-and-also-the-public-toilets/