Trigger Warning:

This episode contains open and heartfelt discussion around termination, miscarriage, baby loss, fertility struggles, and grief. Please listen with care, especially if you are currently navigating loss or trauma.

In this raw, soulful, and powerful episode, Sarah is joined by spirit baby medium, soul plan coach, and author Debra Kilby for a conversation that reaches deep into the heart of what it means to carry shame, and how we can begin to release it.

With laughter, emotion, and gentle truth-telling, Sarah and Debra explore:

The spiritual and emotional layers of baby loss, miscarriage, and termination

Debra’s personal story of loss and the birth of her book, Rosa’s Choice

How shame is a man-made trauma response, not a truth of the soul

What spirit babies want their parents to know, and how they are never victims

Reframing grief as growth and guilt as an invitation to heal

Why women’s choices have been controlled for centuries, and how we reclaim our power

This is a deeply human, spiritual, and healing conversation for anyone who has felt the weight of shame around their fertility journey or reproductive choices. It's also a hopeful reminder that joy, love, and choice are always within reach, and that we are not alone.

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Connect with Debra Kilby:

Website: www.debrakilby.com

Book: Rosa’s Choice

Instagram: @debrakilbyhealing

Services: Spirit Baby Readings | Soul Plan Work | From Here to Maternity Programme