What does it look like to be fully present with people while juggling an energetic, growing ministry, family needs, and the endless demands of leadership? In this episode, Dave and Laura sit down with Pastor Phil Carnuccio, lead pastor of Providence Church in West Chester, PA, to explore what it means to be spiritually formed as a leader in ways that lead to healthy, fulfilling ministry without draining the life out of the leader. We discuss the tension between performing and being present, t...