Thomas is joined by David O'Brien, a higher education policy scholar who works for the California Community Colleges system, to pick apart Trump's new rules threatening to cut off student loans and Pell grants from "low-earning" degree programs, and to fact-check The Daily's recent take on the same story. The real history runs through Reagan, Prop 13, and decades of quiet austerity nobody on that podcast wants to mention.

Mentioned:

• The Daily college episode

• Reagan 1966 campaign clip

• Prop 13

• CUNY tuition history

• California Master Plan for Higher Education

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