SummaryIn this conversation, Robert Wood and Joe Lewis discuss the complexities of leading cybersecurity efforts within a large organization like the CDC. They explore the balance between security and mission enablement, the nuances of risk management, and the importance of compliance. Joe emphasizes the need for humility in leadership, the value of building a strong team, and the significance of understanding organizational dynamics. The discussion also touches on the challenges of innovation in crisis situations, the importance of effective communication, and the need for continuous personal and professional development in the cybersecurity field.TakeawaysHumility is essential for effective leadership in cybersecurity.Balancing security with mission enablement is crucial.Understanding risk transfer dynamics is important for CISOs.Compliance should be viewed as a foundation for security, not a hindrance.Using compliance strategically can enhance decision-making processes.Innovation often requires accepting certain risks during crises.Post-crisis assessments are vital for understanding risks taken.The language of risk must be tailored for different audiences.Non-technical skills are critical for success in cybersecurity roles.Intentional organizational design can break down silos and improve collaboration.Sound Bites"I think the one piece of advice I would have given myself is humility.""We are evolving into a managed cybersecurity service provider.""Not everybody should grow up to be a CISO."Chapters