If you've been keeping up on security news recently you've likely heard of the Pegasus spyware and its authors, the Israeli firm NSO Group. While Pegasus is an impressive piece of software, the capabilities it brings to the table are nothing new (nor are the ethical and moral implications of government surveillance programs).

Join us as we sit down with renowned security journalist Kim Zetter and hear what she has to say about these recent events and surveillance programs more generally.

More of Kim's work can be found at:
- https://zetter.substack.com/
- https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/219931/countdown-to-zero-day-by-kim-zetter/