We are joined by Matt Christman of Chapo Trap House and the new podcast Hell of Presidents, which he hosts with Chris Wade, to talk with us about the disastrous presidency of Andrew Johnson. Sometimes there is a man who is exactly the wrong (right?) man for the moment. Andrew Johnson is that man.

Listen to Matt’s Hell of Presidents episodes on Andrew Johnson’s presidency and its aftermath

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Up Next: We will have a very special interview with historian Richard White about Reconstruction, the Gilded Age, railroad scams, and the real West

Show music by Bjorn/Fleksor

Show art by Carl