On this episode of the Scale Up Valley Podcast, Mike Dias speaks with Rob Bier, Smooth Scaling Author.Key Takeaways:- What not to do while creating a business- Rob’s definition of scaling— and how it differs from ‘growing’- Why the final stage is the hardest one to reach- How to deal with complexity- How the CEO role evolves in each stage of growth- How do you know if you have a high performing team?#smooth #scaling #leadership