On this week’s mothership-sized episode Jen Albright of the podcast Have You Seen This? beams aboard to talk about the 1976 documentary Overlords of the UFO.

We explore the film’s charming 70s crackpot aesthetics, Jen’s own real life encounter with the UFO crowd, Uri Gellar, psychic dolphins, internet culture, cosmic ray-induced idiocy, the secret origin of Minions, and other tangents. Most importantly we delve into the life of the documentary’s producer and host/narrator, W. Gordon Allen, who proves to be a rather colorful and fascinating figure.