Dr. Osman Latiff engages in a conversation with Hamza Andreas Tzortzis on being a lead singer and guitarist during an earlier phase of his life. He reflects on the death of his grandfather and explains his academic journey from studying history to dehumanisation, including his Ph.D and post-doctoratal research. Dr. Latiff summarises and unpacks some ideas from his Sapience Institute books on othering and empathy, and God's love and forgiveness in Islam and Christianity.