John Roderick, the musician, talks to co-host Dan Benjamin about visiting Portland, his XOXO talk, sticking the landing, Flight 93, performing live, engineers vs. rock stars, learning by reading, squid overlords, and his walk across Europe.

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Episode 44: Agnostic Wolf Attack

America's top two podcast personalities are finally coming together in one podcasting event that will change the way you think about podcasting forever! Like a rock skipping over the placid waters of an alpine lake, Dan and John are all too well aware that this burst of kinetic energy will ultimately deposit them, like all human effort, at rest in the icy depths where no light can penetrate. Until then, they mean to thrill to the chase! To soak up the remaining light and banish thoughts of tomorrow! EXCELSIOR! Please support this show on Patreon.