Chef Callie Speer is the inaugural interview for the Road Hungry podcast. She and I cover a lot of ground — the meaning of success, how to keep going after a loss, the potholed road out of substance abuse. Callie is whip smart, totally fucking fearless, and funny as hell. That she was my first interview for this project is such a gift.

Also in this episode: some updates on my time in New Mexico's Sangre de Cristo Mountains.

Callie is a native of Austin, which makes her a unicorn by my reckoning. She’s a self-taught pastry chef and successful restauranteur. I hope you enjoy our conversation.