-8. Dr. Pucket’s negative case centered on the gospels, the unreliability of oral tradition, upon which the gospels are based, and the existence of other Jesus-like figures in the world with similar life details such as virgin birth and rising from the dead. In the back and forth after the scholars presented their original cases, Dr. Licona pointed out the red-herring nature of Pucket’s use of the gospels and took his claims regarding oral tradition and other Jesus-like figures head-on. As the debate continued, it appeared that underlying Pucket’s objections to the historicity of the resurrection were philosophical commitments that miracles cannot happen and that theology is the realm of the supernatural and, therefore, cannot be studied by disciplines like history, mathematics, and science which deal with the physical world.