In Episode 5, Cynthia interviews Elizabeth Nava about her decision to "stay at home" with her two sons despite having several elite (and expensive) degrees. Cynthia and Elizabeth talk about the limitations and contradictions of the label "stay at home mom" and how Elizabeth's upbringing contributed to her decision to give up her traditional career. Elizabeth talks about the ways she and her husband (a teacher) make their finances work on a single income, and some of the benefits of being home with her kids all day, such as the chance to observe her children in all situations and the ability to embrace a slower pace of life. Cynthia and Elizabeth also discuss what they think when they hear mothers say they would be a terrible stay at home mom (hint: it has something to do with the assumptions of modern parenting!). The moms finish out the episode by discussing some favorite parenting and motherhood books, and how the end-goal of being a "stay at home mom" is to work yourself out of a job.