On this episode, Noel talks about grace with his friend Elyse Fitzpatrick. They cover a lot of ground from the source of true strength in the Christian faith (spoiler alert: it's joy) to the steel-toed boot of sanctification. It's hard to explain this rambling conversation; you just have to listen to it.

Here's a bunch of stuff they talked about:

Front Porch with the Fitzes Podcast

Elyse's book Give Them Grace

Noel's book Wretched Saints

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Christ Hold Fast

David Zahl episode

Steve Brown at Riverview