In this episode Steph has a conversation with Bill Wong, the bestselling author of "Better to Win: Hardball Lessons in Leadership, Influence, and the Craft of Politics." In this episode, they delve into Bill's insights on leadership, influence, and the fascinating world of politics, drawing from his experiences as the co-founder of Ronin Project PAC and host of the Ronin Project Podcast. Tune in for an engaging conversation that uncovers valuable lessons for success in the realm of power and governance.

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