Joost van Dreunen knows the games industry. He literally wrote the book on the business of video games (One Up: Creativity, Competition, and the Global Business of Video Games), and with his next book on the horizon, he joins Kaitlyn and Sam to discuss how gaming has changed since One Up was published in 2020, why so many layoffs are happening, and why the industry is pivoting to “games as a platform.” Timecodes:  Stories discussed: VentureBeat – How data can help you understand the game industry | Joost Van Dreunen interview Buy Joost’s book on Amazon, Audible, or Audiobooks, subscribe to his newsletter here, and follow him on Twitter and LinkedIn.Follow the podcast on Twitter and YouTube @RealTimeStrats, and email us questions at [email protected]. Follow Kaitlyn and Sam on social media @KaitlynRedWing and @SamScotMosher respectively.