Greg and Bill interview John Pescatore from SANS about what's going on in the whacky world of cybersecurity. We cover a lot of ground including the breadcrumbs that attackers leave, the history of SANS, what are the big topics in the SANS community, Zero Trust, supply chain security, 2FA - why isn't it standard?, bug bounty programs, and the idea for a Netflix reality series called "This Old Firewall". And how nasty online events are right now, and how to fix them.