Bill and Greg interview Richard Stiennon, who discusses his new book Security Yearbook 2020 and how it is a survey and history of the industry.  We discuss that how non-security CEOs fare in the security market, and why non-security companies don't lead in security.  And how awesome/nasty an "I Told You So, Security Edition" book would be, how small the cybersecurity industry is, and our favorite security leaders.

His book is available here:  https://www.amazon.com/dp/1945254041/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_VwxxEb5J3J4CW 

We don't have one of those cool discount codes, but you can say "REALCYBERSECURITY" out loud when you order it and feel better.