In this episode, Abbe tells us about a new WWII-set novel, The Spies of Shilling Lane.

Then, she sits down with author, professional poker player, and all-around funny gal Helen Ellis about her new book of essays, Southern Lady Code. Southern Lady Code means: if you don’t have something nice to say, say something not-so-nice in a nice way.

Finally, Abbe chats with Victoria, Caroline, and Stacey, the three women behind Book Babes, the NYC-based book club for millennial women, about their ideal summer reads.

For more information about the books we discuss in this—and every—episode, visit us at readitforward.com/podcast.