In this bonus mini-episode from our interview with Dr. L'Heureux Lewis-McCoy, we discuss The Doll Test. The Doll Test was designed by Dr. Mamie Clark, a Black woman, and used by her husband, Dr. Kenneth Clark, in the Supreme Court Case of Brown v. Board of Education (1954). The Doll Test was the first time a social science study was used in a Supreme Court case. Several researchers later replicated the Test. But Dr. Lewis-McCoy pushes back, why are we using White lenses to understand how Black children see themselves? Should we instead focus on how we understand Black identity formation and self-worth from a non-deficit approach?