<p>So, the Tao is sublime. Heaven, earth, and humanity are also sublime. See how there are four sublime realities  in the universe, and humanity is included?</p>

We Learn to Float (Tao Te Ching 26)

Hosts are Stacie Mallinson (educator, death doula and yogini) and Jeff Mallinson (D.Phil., Oxford, historian of philosophy and religion). This is usually a conversation with the news in one hand and the Tao Te Ching in the other, but the history of ideas and the wisdom of various traditions are also regular topics.