<p>A discussion of the concept of minimalism as understood by Lao Tzu, especially in chapters 59, 44, 48, and 80. </p>

What it Looks Like to Surf The Tao (Tao Te Ching 20)

Hosts are Stacie Mallinson (educator, death doula and yogini) and Jeff Mallinson (D.Phil., Oxford, historian of philosophy and religion). This is usually a conversation with the news in one hand and the Tao Te Ching in the other, but the history of ideas and the wisdom of various traditions are also regular topics.