Thirty spokes meet at a hub.  The empty space at the center is what lets the wheel go ‘round.

S3E19 How to Tend to Religious Wolf Pups

Hosts are Stacie Mallinson (educator, death doula and yogini) and Jeff Mallinson (D.Phil., Oxford, historian of philosophy and religion). This is usually a conversation with the news in one hand and the Tao Te Ching in the other, but the history of ideas and the wisdom of various traditions are also regular topics.