<p>This week Andrew and Elle are joined by Dr. Catherine Tan to discuss some of the reasons why and how people become anti-vaxxers. Dr. Tan shares some insights from her current book project <em>Challenging Autism: The Making of Controversial Bodies and Identities. </em>Andrew and Elle share some of their many pasta projects.</p>

022 Baklava, Palestine, and TikTok with James Ray

Guest experts join sociologist Elle Rochford to dive into new topics and new baking projects every other Monday! 

Social scientist and amateur baker, Elle, interviews guest experts each week to talk through important political and social issues. Follow Proofing and Lies on Instagram (@ProofingAndLies) or on twitter (@ProofingL) to check out how each baking project turned out and be sure to like, subscribe, follow, and review PAL wherever podcasts are found.