I recently spoke with Kalissa Scopes of Unlearning Everyday Racism. This was, at times, an emotional interview (for me). Not to spoil this, but toward the end of our conversation, I ask Kalissa what she’s most afraid of. What she answered was profoundly moving.

As a trigger warning, we’re talking about love, joy, white supremacy, and our children—topics that you wouldn’t think fit together. But they do. Amazingly so.

Show notes here.