The shift to generative AI has exposed the gaps between data and AI governance policy and real world uses and impacts of generative AI.

Jason Tamara Widjaja can see the disconnects first hand from his perch leading the AI research and AI governance team as Executive Director of AI at MSD - the global biopharma company some in the US and Canada know better by the name Merck & Co.

In this talk recorded in August 2025 Tamara Widjaja discusses the reasons why generative AI created new needs for assistance from AI Verify on AI governance tooling and services, about the challenges of scaling AI testing and selecting appropriate metrics, the importance of inspecting a full system in which AI models interact rather than just standalone models, and the potential lack of access to models and systems used in the highest risk scenarios.
 
The Privacy on the Ground intro theme features music by Pangal. Episode music is by Surly Gates.

Featured in this episode:
-Jason Tamara Widjaja, Executive Director of AI at MSD (a.k.a. Merck and Co.)
-Kate Kaye, Deputy Director of World Privacy Forum