In today's episode, we're going back in time to 2019 for one of my favorite episodes of the PnS Pod!

In this episode, I had a great conversation with Jonathan "JP" Pokluda. He's the senior pastor of Harris Creek Bible Church in Waco Texas and used to lead one of the largest young adult ministries in the country called, "The Porch." He provided some great commentary on celebrity church culture and materialism, so take a listen!

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