Dr. Dean Radin discusses the intersection of magic, consciousness, and science. He defines magic not as mere illusions but as real phenomena that involve mind-matter interactions. The discussion explores the cultural context of magic, the evolving nature of scientific inquiry into consciousness, and the implications of psychic phenomena. Connect with Dean: Get Dean's book, The Science of Magic: https://a.co/d/8ItUFW2 IONS: https://noetic.org/profile/dean-radin/ Chapters: