In episode 285 of the Pool Nation Podcast, Edgar De Jesús sits down with leadership expert Leanne De Jesús for an in-depth conversation on how pool business owners, service techs, retailers, and builders can grow without burning out, falling behind, or constantly starting over.What is upskilling?Upskilling means improving and expanding the skills you already use in your role — not changing careers, but getting better, smarter, and more effective at what you’re already doing.In the pool industry, upskilling can look like:Developing leadership and people-management skillsImproving pricing, financial clarity, and decision-makingLearning new equipment, technology, and automationBuilding sales and customer communication skillsTraining your team so the business doesn’t rely only on youReskilling, on the other hand, is learning an entirely new role or function — like moving from service into building, retail, or management.Throughout this episode, Edgar and Leanne break down why most frustration, burnout, and leadership struggles aren’t people problems — they’re skill gaps. They also explain why access to information alone doesn’t create better leaders, and how structure, mentorship, and intentional learning are what actually drive growth.Whether you’re a one-truck operator or scaling a multi-location business, this conversation will help you:Understand when to upskill vs when to reskillRecognize early signs of burnout and stagnationBuild stronger leaders and more accountable teamsCreate growth without chaosShift from operator thinking to owner thinkingThis episode isn’t about working harder — it’s about thinking differently so your business can grow with clarity and control.⏱️ Episode Timestamps🤝 Thank You to Our SponsorsA huge thank you to our visionary partners who make Pool Nation education possible:SPPA – US Motors (Nidec) – Blu-Ray XL – AquaStar Pool Products – Natural Chemistry – Raypak –Hayward Pool Products – Heritage Pool SupplyYour support helps us continue to educate, elevate, and strengthen the pool industry.