In this episode I speak with Carrie Grant M.B.E, broadcaster, presenter and business coach.  We both have personal experience of adoption. I was adopted at birth and she and her husband have adopted a child.  In this deep and fascinating discussion we explore how Carrie pivoted into the role of adopting parent and how this decision has changed her life. We discuss the profound pivot an adopted child makes from isolation to  trust . Although this episode focuses on adoption the themes we cover, such as attachment, separation, fear, shame and parenting will be relevant to many.