In this episode, Phil and Jen talk with Trace Bell and Tina Olson about helping people connect their spirituality to all the aspects of their lives. Consciousness, Spiral Dynamics, liminal space, deconstruction, reconstruction, fostering our kids’ spiritual lives, and growth- this one hits so many topics! 

For more from Trace check out www.tracebelll.com and from Tina check out www.tinamarieolsen.com.