Emily R. Sutcliffe, TPIC’s Associate Director, talks with Leigh O'Neill, Managing Director of Policy and Legislative Affairs at the Truman National Security Project and Truman Center, about her path to public service and the Truman Center's distinct vision for American leadership, immigration, and national security.

This episode was taped on January 13, 2017.

David Cole on his work at the ACLU preserving our basic rights and liberties

Conversations About Justice features conversations with advocates, academics, and activists who are at the forefront of critical local, national, and global issues. Produced by the Toll Public Interest Center at Penn Law, the podcast examines the causes and impacts of inequity while exploring justice-minded solutions.