Few figures have shaped modern conservative media like Ben Shapiro. After more than 20 years in politics and a decade building The Daily Wire, Shapiro sits down with Patrick Bet-David at a pivotal moment for the American right.

They unpack why the movement is fracturing, how Shapiro found himself at odds with voices he once stood beside, and what the battle for conservatism could look like heading into 2028.

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Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller "Your Next Five Moves" (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.