In this interview with psychologist and prolific author Dr. Ron Levant, Cathy and Deborah discuss his new book, The Problem with Men. From delinquency to the President of the American Psychological Association, Dr. Levant shares his own experience, including the role abuse and forced male stereotypes played in his life, and how he reached beyond. According to Dr. Levant, when boys receive the message early on that "girls are less than boys," misogyny can take root. Listen in for his thoughts on how we can take the pressure off men to conform and free up space for men and women to engage with each other and be themselves.