Fiona and I discuss the relationship between primitive mark-making and charcoal drawing, art history, the notion of 'shy painting', making sense of chaos, finding balance between acceptance and criticality, Picasso, poetry, Disney cartoons, Van Gogh's sunflowers, Rauschenberg, De Kooning and using drawings as 'spirit guides'.Cover image: 'Figure 1g'. Oil and acrylic on canvas, 2014, 72 x 51 in / 183 x 129.5 cm. Photograph courtesy of the artist.Intro & Outro Music: www.hooksounds.com