<p>The two zoom with each other while Sarah is in Sanfa Fe at a Carolyn Myss workshop on empowerment. She describes her experience of meeting a “guru” in person and her experience feels breakthroughish to Phil. Phil goes on about  how heroes are just people who used to be on a pedestal and how now he feels equal to Michael Jordan.</p>

E83 The Graduates part 2: Van life

Recorded in Harvey the Short Bus and inspired by Own IT the live performing arts event in SLC, this podcast is an extension of a visceral experience of synergy. We are the artists, innovators and rebels with a cause. Our goal is to keep listening, questioning and bringing it to the mic. Harvey is a fully operational recording space on wheels. We invite people inside to share their writing, music, thoughts and stories. Our hope is to ignite the spark of art wherever we go. Hosted by SLC poet and recording artists Sarah Kappos and Philip Millerberg this talk show is an exploration of how humans be, how they want to become and the role creativity plays in this evolution.&nbsp;