Robin and Dennis discuss manipulation with a special focus on Sandy Rosenthal's work following Hurricane Katrina. Sandy Rosenthal, founder of levies.org, shares her journey of uncovering the real cause behind the catastrophic flooding in New Orleans. She details the harassment and pushback she faced from the Army Corps of Engineers and the extensive damage caused due to improperly built levees. Sandy explains her strategies to counter manipulation and emphasizes the importance of never letting anyone make you feel defensive. The conversation also highlights Rosenthal's ongoing mission to incorporate lessons from engineering failures into college curricula to prevent future disasters. Topics