The owner and operator of Il Perugino restaurant/cafe downtown  ottawa on Dalhousie Street. We discuss our long friendship, his move to  Canada, opening Il Perugin and what its all about.

We  discuss his yummy authentic Italian foods and coffees, his chess set  and the vibe and family feeling at Il Perugino. Obviously we touch on  Covid and its effects on the restaurant industry, him, his staff,  customers and friends... the pros his patio and cons mental health.