<p>A teaser for December's episodes without Rocket Kid, and also a bonus interview. Heat was interviewed by <a href='https://constantine.name'>Craig Constantine</a> and that interview is here!</p>

E21: Mike writes and illustrates children‘s books

You don’t have to be famous to be interesting. Everyone is interesting. Everyone has a story. I want to draw out the stories of ordinary people to highlight that fame isn’t what makes a person interesting—life is.

Ordinary: regular people. Chaos: because that’s how life rolls, it seems. Stories that resonate, stories that inspire, stories of ordinary, as told by people of nearly any age, hosted by Heat and Rocket Kid.

We have four threads in Ordinary Chaos:
1: Heat talks with a not-famous artist
2: Heat talks with a regular ol‘ not-famous person
3: Heat talks with Rocket Kid, her elementary-aged son
4: Rocket Kid talks with a guest

Go to ordinarychaospodcast.com for links, show notes, and more.