Our guest today is Lucy Barnes, Editor and Project Coordinator at Open Book Publishers. She talks about what it is to be a small not-for-profit open access book publisher. Together with other publishers, they have formed ScholarLed with the philosophy of ‘scaling small’; in other words, rather than seeking to grow their reach by any one of them becoming exponentially larger, they want to create systems that allow a large number of diverse, small-scale scholarly publishing initiatives to operate collaboratively. The host of this episode is Erik Lieungh.