In this episode, I sit down with Erica Scourti in Hackney Wick and dive into a conversation about mediation and modulation, the visibility of metadata, and the (im)possibility of directness through channels. Erica's work utilizes social media platforms to actualize art objects on and off the screen, and features a performativity these platforms can each uniquely provide. We also speak a bit on meditation, and how it can figure into the many-layered networks that so prominently figure in this contemporary condition. *NOTE* This recording is quieter than usual -- use headphones recommended!