Rui Morais, CEO of Dis-Chem Pharmacies and prior to that, the youngest CFO of a listed company in South Africa, sits down with Debbie Goodman to discuss the real story behind Dis-Chem's much-misreported restructure, and why it's actually a signal of bold ambition, not downsizing. With 200 new roles being created alongside the reorganisation, Rui explains how Dis-Chem is evolving from a retail pharmacy into South Africa's healthcare authority, backed by an innovation hub, strategic partnerships, and a board deeply aligned on purpose. 

The conversation goes behind the scenes of one of the most publicly scrutinized CEO successions in South African corporate history, exploring the unexpected tension, identity shifts, and emotional complexity that no governance framework fully prepares you for. Throughout, Rui emerges as a leader who is deeply purposeful, refreshingly candid, and unafraid to swing for the fences.

On Work and Revolution is a podcast that leads the way to creating amazing workplaces where people and ideas flourish. Or at least to work-life that doesn’t suck! We speak to the trend-setters, the futurists, the academics and the leaders who are shaking things up and finding new ways to work-life in our time. This show is for the leaders and pioneers who want to build thriving workplaces; who want to be on the cutting edge of people trends; and who need to navigate the world of work right now. 
 
Join host Debbie Goodman, Group CEO of Jack Hammer Global, global executive search and board advisor, high-impact leadership coach, speaker, and author who has dedicated more than two decades to helping boards and CEOs with their most strategic people, leadership, and talent decisions.