<div>Lucy Beresford speaks to Sam Olsen, Co-Founder and CEO of The Evenstar Institute about China balloon drama, and the psychology of President Xi and the Communist Party. </div>

S3 Ep7: On the couch: Bishop Kenneth Nowakowski

Love politics? And psychology? And relationships? Then lie back and listen to Politics On the Couch, where broadcaster and psychotherapist Lucy Beresford chats to senior figures from the world of politics and international current affairs, for a deep dive into the relationships making the headlines today and to explore the psychology of political life.