Colin Ellis speaks with Nam Kiwanuka, host of The Agenda in the Summer, about Ava DuVernay's documentary 13th. The 2016 film looks at the rise of mass incarceration in the U.S., from its roots in slavery through the Jim Crow era and beyond. They discuss how racism is still an uncomfortable subject for many to talk about, how racist portrayals of Black people in the media inform the way they're treated by the justice system, and why this problem isn't unique to the United States.

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