Jasmine and Alex sit down with artist Bettina Matzkuhn to discuss the book Gathering Blue by Lois Lowry, which tells the story of Kira. Set in a dystopian future following the sudden death of her mother, Kira the weaver finds herself having to defend her life but is pardoned through her ability to weave and dye threads. Creativity, society, gender roles and kindess are some of the themes touched on during this episode.