Trish interviews podcast host Gabriel Ornelas about connecting with people, learning more than what's on the surface and his love of backgammon. Ornelas hosts "On the Pass," a podcast by The Art of Plating. Ornelas interviews a wide variety of people within the culinary world including chefs, hoteliers, mixologists, and more. The two chat about his childhood, growing up on the East and West Coast, figuring out his path, his love of talking and connecting to people, and how backgammon should have its own show on Netflix.